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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/25/2008 10:50:17 AM   
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I can answer definitively that comments made by each juror are for the full submitted portfolio, not for each individual piece in that portfolio, or as it's been said, "lumped together." Although some jurors do make a point of giving comments on each specific piece. Most tend to critique the overall submission and just reference specific pieces when it's pertinent to their critique explanation.

Also, I can confirm that even our dedicated daily EBSQ volunteers don't get an instant "in" and have seen rejection at the hands of some of their closest forum friends if their work isn't quite there yet. I have also excused jurors from voting on work that they recognize if they feel they cannot be fair. There is no favouritism.

Jackie, I am sorry your past application attempts were less than positive for you. It's obvious this is still very upsetting to you, particularly since you didn't even re-apply this fall. As I recall you were one or two votes away from being accepted last time you applied and urge you to give it a go again in April if you still have any interest in our juried program.

Also, a note to Olga: in regards to useless comments. If we get complaints about a particular juror from more than one person, we take a look at the quality of the commentary given across the board. In one case, we did have a juror this round who consistently gave critiques that were less than constructive. That particular juror will not be used again in the future.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/25/2008 11:03:43 AM   
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quote:

as it's been said, "lumped together."

I noticed that it's sometimes difficult to tell where one comment ends and the next one starts. That's probably what was meant here.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/25/2008 12:30:37 PM   
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Alright, been thinking about what to say here, and me thinking for a long time is never a good thing!
 
The main reason I submitted this post was to hopefully help future jurors see what the artists are looking for. Sure, we’d all like to win, but even if we don’t there is a lot of valuable information that can be taken out of this contest. From what I’ve read by most people who have been through this process, the comments from the jurors have improved and I feel lucky that I entered when I did. If I had entered back when there were no comments, I would have felt like I had paid for nothing. It’s the feedback, positive and critical that makes us grow as artists.
 
It is important to point out that the quality of your artistic skills is not the only deciding factor in this competition. Presentation is the big one that seems to get a lot people. If you are going to make a living selling anything, retailers everywhere will tell you its 10% product, 90% presentation!
 
The artist statement, the quality and clarity of the photos, how “professional” the photos of your work appear, along with the general cohesion of the whole series, these are the biggest deciding factors here. I’ve seen some of the best artists on EBSQ say they had a hard time passing the juried process!
 
While most of these things are subjective, a well developed format should get an overall response from “most” jurors. I thought of this process as training for future juried shows for outside (non EBSQ) venues. At any show, the juror’s opinion will be subjective. The jurors are not all familiar with your media of choice, and some may even consider your media/technique to “not really be art”, a criticism heard often in both the abstract art circles and photography circles. To succeed, we need to find a way to surpass that shortfall and strive to impress “the pants off” even the most prejudiced juror.
 
Jackie, your artwork is outstanding! You are a highly skilled artist. Reviewing your portfolio, there are many places that I feel the presentation could be improved and am willing to speak with you privately about this if you want my “critiques”. I’ve owned 2 small businesses in the past and have a relatively good knack at “selling” a product, or presenting it in its best manner. I do hope you don’t give up on the juried process, as your artwork shows extreme talent.
 
I know for me, personally, I never would have made it in this process if I hadn’t read through all the prior posts and experiences from others. The pieces I had originally picked out were not a cohesive bunch; I had wanted to show my versatility and was going to show a bunch of different medias, thinking that would be strength. It’s a good thing I read through the historical posts here, I could have tried for years and would never have made it if I did it “my way”.  Thankfully I had all the past experience on these forums to draw on!
 
I hope this thread will prove helpful, not only to future entrants, but also to future jurors!

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/25/2008 12:36:47 PM   
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I thought of this process as training for future juried shows for outside (non EBSQ) venues.

Yes! That's one of the most valuable things we as artists can get from the process.
Well said, Joe, as always.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/25/2008 2:05:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gillie

Also, a note to Olga: in regards to useless comments. If we get complaints about a particular juror from more than one person, we take a look at the quality of the commentary given across the board. In one case, we did have a juror this round who consistently gave critiques that were less than constructive. That particular juror will not be used again in the future.


Thank you Amie...that's good to know!

I appreciate truly helpful comments!  Useless or mean comments are just disheartening.  

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/25/2008 3:40:13 PM   
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Jackie, I also applied and didn't get in.  I also found most of my comments extraordinarily unhelpful.  I shared them with others, and they said the same thing.  The feedback I got directly from people that I asked was far more helpful (and continues to be). 

I have a germ of an idea that I hope to put together to present to EBSQ Administration on a way to improve the process.  I just haven't had time to work on it.  Can I contact you for possible input when I am ready?

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