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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 2:55:14 PM

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didn't see your post there joe

I don't think anyone has plans of nabbin photos from the threads all whilly nilly.

And the fact they have photos in those threads doens't give anyone the right to put them in a book us or otherwise. So i don't think copyright will be an issue since we all hold that close to our hearts and will be sure take that one by the horns.

i do however like the idea of a resubmission process to weed out the smaller/low res ones.

for photos of people model releases would be required i thinks (good point)

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 3:08:41 PM

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i do however like the idea of a resubmission process to weed out the smaller/low res ones.

You will have to do that anyway.
Model releases, absolutely.

I think the first thing is to establish some sort of budget. We want the book to sell for... what? no more than $20 each, or whatever.
Then think how much profit do you want to make, say half. (I don't care, that can be discussed, I'm just throwing figures out as examples)
Then you look at suppliers, lulu, blurb, whoever and see what you can get for $10 a piece and how many you need to print to get that price.
Then you see what kind of paper, binding etc. you can get for that.
Then you figure out who is the lucky person that will front the $ to get the things printed while the orders come in. Obviously, a supplier with print-on-demand capability would be the way to go.

Incidentally, I am with Tolun who questioned the charity thing in the other thread...

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 3:40:24 PM

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I don't think anyone has plans of nabbin photos from the threads all whilly nilly. And the fact they have photos in those threads doens't give anyone the right to put them in a book us or otherwise. So i don't think copyright will be an issue since we all hold that close to our hearts and will be sure take that one by the horns.

I agrree, I would just hate to choose a photo from the threads, get everyone excited about it, and then the photographer either not want to be included or we cant get a hold of them. Thats why I think it would be good to have copywrite understanding with the photographers before reviewing any photos.... Do I make sense or am I just rambling? (I do that often lol)

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 3:42:17 PM

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Keep throwing out idea's....model releases are not necessary unless they are used for advertising purposes. That's the legality of it. This is not advertising, it is an art book we could even sell a photo of anyone without a release as art, we just couldn't sell it to a company for advertising purposes. BTW I do have model releases on most every person I've posted. At the very least I told them I was going to post on line.

That being said. I would never ever publish a picture of a person against their wishes. I will say this again and again, the photogs will have the final say on whether the shots that are chosen can go into the book. Some are very personal. I realize that. I love the term willy nilly btw.

As for the charity thing honestly I don't care as long as everyone promises to not get pissed off because things don't seem fair. I'm not sure if EBSQ will be want to put their name on it if that is the case.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 3:46:27 PM

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As for the charity thing

I would recomend some art related charity(as this is an art group). MAybee an orginazation that helps get kids involved in art!

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 3:46:30 PM

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quote:

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I don't think anyone has plans of nabbin photos from the threads all whilly nilly. And the fact they have photos in those threads doens't give anyone the right to put them in a book us or otherwise. So i don't think copyright will be an issue since we all hold that close to our hearts and will be sure take that one by the horns.

I agrree, I would just hate to choose a photo from the threads, get everyone excited about it, and then the photographer either not want to be included or we cant get a hold of them. Thats why I think it would be good to have copywrite understanding with the photographers before reviewing any photos.... Do I make sense or am I just rambling? (I do that often lol)

Sorry Joe we were posting at the same time. Either way I think it's a daunting task. LOL I'm pretty sure in my case there might only be a few I wouldn't want in a book.
I'll tell you what I will go through the threads and contact the artists and see if they are willing to participate. If not I will so OK.....so and so doesn't want to do this.

So if you participate in the thread...is it ok we consider your shots, you will retain all of the copyrights to your photos, and most certainly get credit.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 4:15:45 PM

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You need a model release for every recognizable person, whether it's for advertising or not. It's best to be protected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_release

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 4:29:10 PM

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You only need a models release if the it is being used in an advertisement or some other venue that would suggest the person in the photo is endorsing a product or idea that is my understanding of that law.

I have been making money on stock photography so I have not submitted most of my work to the photo threads because they are public and I would have to put a watermark on them so they couldn't be lifted from the site and used without payment or permission. I have been making some pretty good money from that lately so I have not wanted to chance putting them out there in a large enough image that they could be kyped. So I have very few pics in the public photography section.

I think there are a lot of wonderful photos in the ebsq galleries that have not been tapped in photo of the day.I think that if a book is going to be done the first thing that should be decided is what the theme is. Random photos in a book I don't think would sell very well. It seems if you could decide on which charity that might help narrow down what the theme would be. Or perhaps if a song or poem was selected and the photos were used to illustrate that poem or song or I don't know what but it seems you should fist pick a charity then pick a theme then decide how the photos would be chosen based on what the theme demands. It seems like then there could be submissions for the theme or whatever is needed and the blind jury could be done.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 4:38:32 PM

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I've read just as many links and laws that state differently. It's how and why we see so many shots of celebs, whether they like it or not. As long as they are on public property, they are open prey for photogs. I've had long chats with a few photojounalist's on flickr about it. They don't have to have a release for anyone they publish in the paper (including plain old regular people). I do agree with being on the safe side though.

So why don't we say just no people shots in the book.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 4:45:45 PM

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I would like a Photo a Day to be the theme. That was my idea. To highlight that theme. For me the amount of money we make on the book is a small part of why I want to do the book.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 5:17:54 PM

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Ok I know I just sounded like a whiny baby

Didn't mean to, Heide you know I love you and appreciate your input. You too Muriel or anyone else.

Me thinks I want to step out now. I'm not comfortable myself with financial dealings with friends. I realized that would be needed to be discussed at some point. My past dealings which included "profitable" dealings with friends have almost always never turned out to be good. I really, really, really don't want to lose any of you as friends. So I can already see hurt feelers and that is the last thing I ever wanted.
In all honesty I just wanted record of the year of POTD thread in print, I thought maybe move it a couple of steps beyond. I've enjoyed every single minute of it. It's the first thing I look at in the morning. So, I'll just do that. Keep enjoying every single minute of it.
If you all would like to continue. You may use any of my photos, I will be quite happy to be included.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 5:24:32 PM

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I know what you mean Lisa. I've had the same experience.

I have an alternate idea. What about a dedicated external blog? Then there would be no printing, the size of the photos could be limited and photos could be watermarked, Google blogs are free and if we did a "best of the week" it wouldn't take a lot of time.

Also, to add some type of fundraising "thing" we could put up Adsense links and get paid for clicks. That wouldn't make a lot of money, but it would expand the scope.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 7:20:37 PM

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That sounds really wonderful - make any money go to an ebsq fund for prize money for the shows or one big prize for a photography specific show or for special ebsq situations with members etc.

I did not mean to drag down your idea in any way lisa. I can see how you started with a simple idea and we all kind of got carried away with it

You can do what sam proposed as well as your original idea - and just keep it simple like what you had envisioned

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 7:31:05 PM

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Wow, there is a lot to absorb here. I will try to summarize my feelings....

I would so love to see a book of some of the wonderful photos that have been posted in the threads. The creativity and beauty of them is at times astounding. How many *thuds* have we seen in the past months! Wouldn't it be fun!

Ok, that said, I am afraid I am not much help. I am a computer dunce, I know nothing about publishing and layout and such, and I ain't got a pot to pee in financially right now.

That said, I would sure not mind if any of my photos happened to be used and so you all have my permission. The thought did occur to me that if there was money made and a chairity inolved I think it would be great to see the chairity be ebsq artists who find themselves in a dire need due to an emergency. Sort of an artists emergency fund.

Yes, of course I know that gets all involved with who what where when how but it's just me thinking out loud. Lisa, I would hate to see you drop out if this idea were to come to fruition. Please don't.

Anyway, I will be watching to see what happens next in this thread. The blog idea of Sam's isn't half bad either! In fact it's pretty good!!!

Ok, dogs are calling I gotta run!

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 7:48:03 PM

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it would be great to see the chairity be ebsq artists who find themselves in a dire need due to an emergency. Sort of an artists emergency fund.

That I would support. I had misgivings about the "charity" before, because choosing which one might lead to discord. My initial feeling was that the money should stay within EBSQ somehow.

Also, I seem to remember talk of a calendar at some point. That might be a less ambitious project to begin our publishing projects with. The 12 photos could be chosen by anonymous vote, and if you're not picked, there's always next year. A lot cheaper, too.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 9:49:30 PM

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No problems. If ya'all want to do it for a money making venture, that's fine with me. I just personally wouldn't be invloved. My feelings wouldn't be hurt. So no worries.

Muriel I had thought about a calender as well. Then I thought well not everyone that posts to the thread can be involved. Then I was overwhelmed at the though of choosing only 12 photos.
There are so many wonderful shots. But I would be ok with a calender as well.

PS Thanks Steph, not to worry about anything. I'm guessing at this point if we do a book print on demand would be the only way to do it.

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RE: Idea - 9/12/2008 2:38:25 PM

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I still like the photo book idea. Maybee when I have more time on my hands, I'll try to re-start the idea going again. I'm sorry to see you leave the idea behind Lisa, but understand your concerns.

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RE: Idea - 9/12/2008 2:52:37 PM

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I still like the idea and I will be glad to be involved as long as there are not profits to be split among us. If we can agree on that. I'll be happy to help,growl, work, throw ideas out or whatever.

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RE: Idea - 9/12/2008 3:03:17 PM

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Hell, I'd be happy just selling the book at cost, just promote EBSQ and the great photogs on here!!!

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RE: Idea - 9/12/2008 3:28:01 PM

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Me too!

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