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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 7:05:52 PM

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depending on the purpose of the book and how it's being distributed, ebsq would consent to give its blessing. just don't ask us to put it together, lol.

yes, the cookbook is still going to happen. but we have a kazillion other irons in the fire right now and had to put it on hold while we finish some other time-sensitive projects up.

that said--we're still using blurb, and we do recommend it, quality-wise. i have also used snapfish personally for abbey and liam's baby books and their quality is good, too.

qoop is another option if you're focusing on the photography. but if you want to get text in there, definitely go with blurb.

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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 8:57:05 PM

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Great idea! My photos probably shouldn't be printed any larger than 5x7 due to resolution issues. I could maybe help a bit, but I'm heading into my busy season. Let me know.

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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 9:01:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreenBiscuit

I just wanted to say I think this is an awesome idea, and I will help anyway possible.

ditto on this Lisa - whateva you need I will gladly help out.

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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 10:02:37 PM

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First I think we need an organized list of the basics and what needs to be done, as much as I hate it the financial part would probably need to come first. I hate to put it all together and then it be
not affordable. I think the first round of books could be on a pre order basis. The on demand. I would probably "stock" a couple for sale if they aren't super expensive. Ok I feel a poll coming on in coffee talk

Second. If anyone wants to voluteer to be in charge of organization besides me....lol I would love that. My organazational skills really suck....I have CRS. I absolutley know nothing about putting a book together.

Third... and this one really worries me, is choosing the photos. How many? And I agree Kevin I wouldn't want to lose any friends over a book. I'd rather not do the book. So if anyone has any ideas, help me out here.

And I need all of the photogs involved to be alright with putting their photos in a book. Really important.
KJ...made some very good points about that.

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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 10:38:16 PM

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Third... and this one really worries me, is choosing the photos. How many? And I agree Kevin I wouldn't want to lose any friends over a book. I'd rather not do the book. So if anyone has any ideas, help me out here.

I haven't read the threads and I don't know if Amie has had much time to look at them so it could be if you submit them blind and tell me/us how many are to be in the book, I/we could choose. I don't know what kind of time Amie would have for that but I could do it.

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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 10:44:03 PM

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blind jury would be a great idea.

it would help take most of the

out of it.

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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 10:50:39 PM

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Maybe a project plan would help. I will see if I can load MS project again (in a few days). I am afraid to commit for fear something else will go wrong in my life but I really want to help.

On a different note....I am wondering about theme....and also, media. That's it....just thinking.

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RE: Idea - 9/10/2008 11:00:50 PM

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Thinking is where idea's come from. Keep doing that and posting.

I don't know what MS project is. I had thought about a theme as well, but IMHO I would like to keep it pretty diverse as far as the photo's go. I think themed sections would be ok. My thought about themes is that some people are better at shooting certain things.
As far a a theme for the book on the whole...dunt know.

Oh, oh, oh...here's a thought, maybe the winner of the T-shirt logo contest could be the front of the book...again promoting the fact that the book is an EBSQ group effort. With credit of course.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 9:50:36 AM

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I think before deciding who and what photos are in it, we need to do the research and find how we are going to lay it out.

I was looking at blurb.com and I realy like the full bleed full page books, but this would limit submissions to files that meet their file size requirements. So we have to decide how we are going to lay it out, what file sizes we need, etc.

Then, how do we choose photos? WHat are the submission guidlines? Do they have to be photo's originaly posted here on the photo of the day thread, or are new submissions acceptable?

The artist who took the photo should "submit" it to be included, with a statment allowing us to publish it.

This, I think will reduce how many photo's have to be judged. I realy like the idea of a "blind jury", either of ebsq'ers or outside ebsq. That or a vote by the members, but that gets a little tricky unless EBSQ wants to host a monthly show for this.

I feel we should have the research, layouts, plans, etc figured out before we start accepting any submissions, that way it cuts down on production time after the winners are chosen.

I also definatly think we should have at least one page dedicated to "Desks, fire hydrants and signs" as that has been a favorite subject of the photo of the day.

I would love to be a part of this, unfortunatly at the time I do not have internet at home. I will in about 4 weeks and wouldn't mind jumping in then.

I'm thinking of doing a photo book on blurb of some of my work just for family and friends. Once I do that, then I will understand that system a bit better. I haven't done any lay-out work or publishing in years, before the "self-publishing" craze. I remember when all the layouts had to be photo-ready, running it to the publisher, getting an ungly proof, reworking it, finding out the text got all jumbled up in conversion, etc, etc, etc. and that was for a MONTHLY writing group magazine (print run of 2000, distributed free). I think it took us 3 months to format a issue, so we were always 3 months behind!

I'm excited to see if this online stuff is easier and as "everybody can do it" simple as they advertise.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 10:08:35 AM

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I realy like the full bleed full page books, but this would limit submissions to files that meet their file size requirements.

Yes, and I think that's the only way to go. It's simpler (and simpler is good in this case), and we then avoid the "why is X's photo full-page and mine is small" kind of bruised feelings.
As far as file size requirements, if you want something printed on paper, you're going to have those.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 10:37:32 AM

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Hey Joe, no big deal on the time thing. I think we still have several weeks of the photo of the day thread before we could even start page layouts. This is a huge project and I certainly don't see it being done overnight. Thank you for chiming in with your thoughts.

For me personally I would like there to be no new submissions only shots that are included and will be included in the POTD theads. So I figure they are already submitted. I would personally love to have the lightheartedness of our friendships and sharing our photos and our visions as the theme. Some of my shots are silly as hell.

Sooooo if anyone would like to be included better start posting

... I seriously don't want this to turn into a competition type thing. I will drop out if it does.

I feel the opposite of you about when to choose the photo's and layouts. It's very important to me that everyone who has posted is included. Some of us are taking shots with different types of cameras, I would like the lower res shots to have a chance to make the book, just in a smaller format. I know I have worked with some of mine and they are way downsized as far as res. the originals wouldn't fit in the thread. I think the artist who submitted it has everyright to turn it down or say go with the shots that are choosen. We've had many people who don't post daily and they certainly can say nah or yay. The artists included get the final say and edit (as far as the photos). I understand that we may have to go back to the original to get the resolution we need for a book. In all honesty I don't even know if I have some of the originals. That being said, I still really want quaility.

I do have some ideas for the blind jury thing. I will put my thoughts into words and post later.

PS..........These are just my thoughts. I'm not the final decision maker...I want us all to work together!
I like blurb too!

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 10:39:37 AM

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Hi Muriel, we posted at the same time. Thanks for chiming in. So am I wrong, I don't know. Can we just not use a smaller format for those shots?

Oh hell I understand what you are saying now...

It could indeed cause bruised feelings, but are the feelings going to be more bruied if they are not included at all

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 11:03:44 AM

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so this is only a book for photography? that counts me out then

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 11:05:00 AM

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duh.. just noticed this is in the photography thread.. sorry for the stupid question!

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 11:25:54 AM

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but are the feelings going to be more bruied if they are not included at all

True!

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I understand that we may have to go back to the original to get the resolution we need for a book.

We will have to. People will need to look at their own files and see if they have resolution we can work with.
At actual size (when you look at your image at 100% of the final size you want), resolution should be as follows:
Onscreen, posting: 72 dpi
Printing on your home printer: 120 to 150dpi
Commercial printing: 300dpi

Any less, and the image will not look good.

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In all honesty I don't even know if I have some of the originals.

Lisa, please make yourself a folder for your originals! Just throw them in there as soon as you upload, and never touch it again! For posting to Flickr, here or wherever, for experimenting with settings or Photoshop, always make a copy and work from the copy.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 11:29:57 AM

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I know, I know, I know

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 11:31:44 AM

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 12:15:12 PM

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so this is only a book for photography? that counts me out then

Well maybe not Heather, post some photo's to the thread...

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 2:36:34 PM

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I would like there to be no new submissions only shots that are included and will be included in the POTD theads.

I like the idea that all the photos be from the POTD thread, but I feel people who want their pictures in the book should need to "re-submit" them for the following reasons:

1. Then we know we have the photographers permission to publish their photo in the book.

2. If we post the resolution/file size requirements before accepting submissions, then only photos that have a large enough copy will be judged and we don't have to worry about selecting a photo for publishing that does not meet the publishers requirement.

This is just a sugestion that we might want to consider. I think it would reduce the burdon on our poor judges (37 weeks so far, thats A LOT of photos).

Also, do we want to judge each week individualy, like "The Best of Week 23", or all together.

We also have to consider "rights to use" on the photos. Do we need a model release on file to publish this photo of a person in a book for sale (even if the profits go to charity). How about a property release (for pictures of houses, landscapes etc. that are recognisable) or a copywrite release for photos of artwork (ie, my photo of the "Bronze Surfer", since the statue itself is a piece of artwork, do I need a release from the artist who made the staue to use the photo of the statue...)

The more I study copywrites and the times a release is required, the more and more confused I get. Is it easier to just play ignorant (no great acting challenge on my part

) and "go for it" without any release signeed........

So many questions..., I need to start writing these and everyone else's down, so we can tackle them one at a time and prioritize what needs to be decided first...

Well, back to work work, I'll be checking in on this thread when I can.

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RE: Idea - 9/11/2008 2:48:28 PM

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Lisa i would limit it to the ones that have been posted in the threads already, or the ones to be posted in the threads.

this might encourage more people to participate in the weekly threads.

specially if you get some ebsq blog exposure

I don't think it will be all that drama on pickin photos, BECAUSE, most of the people who post on the thread are boardites anyway, and post often - the chances are really good and in their favor that they have at least ONE GOOD SHOT in there lol. I mean off the bat I can think of you, kevin, sam, steph, joe without tryin.

here is what I would do..........

first i would choose generic basics like:

type of binding
glossy pages or matte
full color or b&W or a nice mix
hardcover/softcover
physical dimensions of the book
estimated price/profit for chairty

then those things will help choose which company to go with for the printing.

after that who/what/where/how will fall into place and get sorted out.

but that said I've never helped put a book together before but this will be great experience for me because I actually have one (ok two) in plans, but that is how I would do it.

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