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May we make the media specifc topics public?

Yes, please make the media-specific topics OPEN.

61% (19)

No thank you, please keep them CLOSED.

38% (12)

Total Votes : 31

(last vote on : 7/29/2007 2:16:31 PM)
(Poll ended: 7/30/2007 3:00:00 PM)

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/19/2007 11:12:42 AM

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I agree on this point only because when I joined I had no idea the forums were even here. I joined EBSQ for all the other benefits and found the forums to be a huge bonus.

Same here. I joined after being a patron for a year and a half because I wanted to enter the shows. If I had known how huge and rich the foruyms were, I might have joined sooner.

Actually I agree with everything Aimee said.

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/19/2007 11:50:30 AM

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Not sure if this fits with the discussion, but on the subject of giving the media specific forums a shot in the arm...

I for one would be more interested in the Illustration & Cartoon forum if there was a host, and also if it clearly covered comics (I've been collaborating on two dramatic comics--books, not strips) and would not mind having a clear venue to talk about them, ask for advice, etc. My only caveat is that I'm pretty sure I wouldn't post on a public board about it (since they are original ideas and unpublished).

It's kind of depressing scrolling on by media specific and seeing only one or two "lights" on.

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/19/2007 12:07:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: podkaynestudios

Not sure if this fits with the discussion, but on the subject of giving the media specific forums a shot in the arm...

I for one would be more interested in the Illustration & Cartoon forum if there was a host, and also if it clearly covered comics (I've been collaborating on two dramatic comics--books, not strips) and would not mind having a clear venue to talk about them, ask for advice, etc. My only caveat is that I'm pretty sure I wouldn't post on a public board about it (since they are original ideas and unpublished).

It's kind of depressing scrolling on by media specific and seeing only one or two "lights" on.

This would be an important consideration for many of us should the forums be opened to the public.

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/19/2007 12:27:32 PM

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My only caveat is that I'm pretty sure I wouldn't post on a public board about it (since they are original ideas and unpublished).

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This would be an important consideration for many of us should the forums be opened to the public.

Absolutely. I was just going to post the same thing.
A way around that would be to have an expanded private WIP section.

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 12:29:38 PM

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Ok guys I understand that. To easy to access your original ideas. I guess that's why if it were me I just wouldn't post those in the public forums. I would use the critique section. That's just me. I don't want to offend anyone, but I still think if you want to post work or discuss ideas with other artists it should be available. Maybe we could keep just a couple of the media specific topics private, the ones that are actually active.

I still think it would be beneficial to everyone here if those threads were more active even if it were public. There is a whole big world out there, not all of it bad.

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 12:30:47 PM

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LOL............exactly Muriel, now why did it take me a whole paragraph to say the same thing?

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 12:32:33 PM

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I don't necessarily think that more public forums would be a bad idea. I also would love it if a few of the media-specific topics were more active.

Really I can't help but wonder if it would be more beneficial to make a different forum public, like everything under "general art topics" EXCEPT pimpin' and critiques.

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 1:02:00 PM

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Couldn't some of the topics merge??.. like fantasy, and cartoons and drawing..

maybe also merge.. Abstracts with mixed media.. as a lot of abstracts are mixed media

maybe also merge wearable art with fibre art.

just a thought!

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 1:19:43 PM

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I'm currently brainstorming on the whole art/media specific forums (I know - you are all thrilled

) I'm trying to figure out how to put in words what is becoming clear to me so that we can (argg) rethink our forums into really dynamic places of exchange of ideas and stimulation - I know this is possible but I think it is not possible as we currently have the topics arranged.

It isn't a matter of combining a few - it is a matter of seeing the underlying fundamentals that we share as artists regardless of whether we're making dolls or painting, regardless of whether we work in sculpture or work digitally - we have COMMON ground. And it is the common ground that needs to be the topics.

If I can just sort this out the result should be (presuming that I'm not just a nut case) the creation of new forums that will cover all the specific needs of any genre and any medium but gives us a venue that is automatically dynamic and stimulating - that will excite the participants and see a lot of activity.

I just need a little time to get enough of these thoughts to make enough sense so that when I lay them out - the members understand what I am getting at and can help design (argg I am fighting for words here) the "solutions"

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 1:20:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: 88heather

Couldn't some of the topics merge??.. like fantasy, and cartoons and drawing..

maybe also merge.. Abstracts with mixed media.. as a lot of abstracts are mixed media

maybe also merge wearable art with fibre art.

just a thought!

In the event that we decide that any of these sections are going to go, we're going to move the posts elsewhere so they aren't completely lost.

Some sections won't merge; not all wearable art is fibre art. But drawing and illustration might merge (since we're talking about book illustration here rather than graphic art). All of this is up for debate right now, so keep those ideas coming! We ultimately want some really solid sections that people will use and enjoy, regardless if they're public or not!

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 1:26:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: Harlan

I'm currently brainstorming on the whole art/media specific forums (I know - you are all thrilled ) I'm trying to figure out how to put in words what is becoming clear to me so that we can (argg) rethink our forums into really dynamic places of exchange of ideas and stimulation - I know this is possible but I think it is not possible as we currently have the topics arranged.

It isn't a matter of combining a few - it is a matter of seeing the underlying fundamentals that we share as artists regardless of whether we're making dolls or painting, regardless of whether we work in sculpture or work digitally - we have COMMON ground. And it is the common ground that needs to be the topics.

If I can just sort this out the result should be (presuming that I'm not just a nut case) the creation of new forums that will cover all the specific needs of any genre and any medium but gives us a venue that is automatically dynamic and stimulating - that will excite the participants and see a lot of activity.

I just need a little time to get enough of these thoughts to make enough sense so that when I lay them out - the members understand what I am getting at and can help design (argg I am fighting for words here) the "solutions"

I think I have a tiny inkling of where you might be headed with this Jeanne and it's a wonderful idea. I hope your brainstorming is given a chance!

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 1:30:57 PM

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There is no doubt that I'll have the chance to swing the idea by everyone and then everyone can seriously fill in my major gaps.

If it has real merit I'm sure it will be put to use! :) I'm still struggling to find the words - I'll get there!!

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 1:33:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Harlan

There is no doubt that I'll have the chance to swing the idea by everyone and then everyone can seriously fill in my major gaps.

If it has real merit I'm sure it will be put to use! :) I'm still struggling to find the words - I'll get there!!

That's what we're hoping for, Jeanne! May I buy you a cup of coffee while you let your thoughts percolate? ;)

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RE: May we make the media specific topics public? - 7/19/2007 1:34:54 PM

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Jeanne!!! I'm really excited about your ideas!! Knowing you.. I'm sure this will be a great!

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/20/2007 12:26:18 AM

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I Like the idea,,,and if anyone is nasty or pretentious in those threads then we can come back to our inner site and talk about them

LOL!

(i'm still reading this thread but this cracked me up..had to post my laughing

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/23/2007 9:46:11 PM

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After lengthy consideration, I decided to vote pro-public. I think it is a healthy idea to expand some of the forums for public participation, and I believe Amie and the rest of the Admins will reserve member only forums for us to use when we don't want the whole world to see what we're talking about.

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/23/2007 11:42:53 PM

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Okay, I think I may have changed my mind. I have been lurking over at Wetcanvas to see how their boards are doing. Some of them are pathetic. I see a lot of artists offering up work for comment and only being responded to by the host. Some not at all. Even the Critique section that is most professional is underused. Many posts never end up showing the final work. There are many posts there gone unanswered for days, or completely. The comment is that no one has time to look at more than a couple of posts a day. WC says they have, what?, 55,000 members and no one is looking at critiques or WIPs except a couple of regulars? I didn't get the sense of a real community there the way I do here.

So here's my point about this question re media-specific forums. If the sheer numbers involved in a site like WC make you feel like you are standing on a street corner in NYC shouting at the crowd trying to get someone to stop and say hello (that's what it felt like to me), will opening our media-specific forums to "ahem", strangers,

cause us to lose the community feel and moreover, the trust we have established when asking for help or critique or even support to keep going? Will things be the same if we don't know who these people are, who we're talking to?

Am I too new to get the whole EBSQ vibe right? To me, it is a "small world" even though many members are lurking but still know who a lot of the posters are and have gone to look at their work. It felt really weird to see newbies over at WC in the critique section asking complete strangers what they should do to fix a painting. It felt, cold. I missed this group. I don't really like it over there, can you tell?

BTW I would not post an evolution of my technique to the public here. Hey, I may want to sell a book about it someday.

Any thoughts, you guys, on trust (like people "stealing" techniques, or even your style, and running elsewhere with it? Okay, now I'm getting paranoid. This community just feels personal (not impersonal), not walled off. I don't know how to answer the search engine dilemma.

Leaning towards no now.......

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/23/2007 11:45:39 PM

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Ok guys I understand that. To easy to access your original ideas. I guess that's why if it were me I just wouldn't post those in the public forums. I would use the critique section.

Then what would I talk about in mixed media if not my techniques?

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/24/2007 7:34:25 AM

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You are right about that Diana. I don't know the answer. What I do know is that nobody has even talked in mixed media since March. If we don't do something else there will be nobody to talk to.

I have to agree with you about the sense of community and the smallness of it is wonderful. I don't believe for a second that will go away. We will still have many private forums.

As much as I love it here and have made many good friends, I often wonder if it's not intimidating to a new memeber to come in, look around and wonder what they might add the the mix. Tight circles are sometimes hard to break. Even though all of us would like to have some new members.

I can't come up with the right words to explain my thoughts.

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RE: May we make the media specifc topics public? - 7/24/2007 8:19:54 AM

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I can't come up with the right words to explain my thoughts.

uh... you just did...

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