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Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 12:55:06 PM   
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I wasn't sure it this was appropriate at first, so I sent it to our fearless leader (Amie) and she said to go for it. So......


EBSQ Juried Process - An Artists Perspective.

First of all, I would like to thank all the Jurors who took the time and
effort to participate in this year's EBSQ Jury Session. I know asking it is
no small task to ask anyone to volunteer their time and effort, and I am
sincerely grateful for the work all of you put in to the process.

For me, the result was not the purpose for entering the competition. As a
relatively *new* artist, I was more interested in the creative criticism I
would receive, critiques that could help me develop my art and help carry me
to the next level. For all the jury members who took the time to really
respond to my entries, I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! Your
comments are valued and your advice will be considered as I progress on this
journey.

I felt the need to respond, both to thank the current jurors, and to help
future jurors to know what artists that enter are looking for and/or getting
out of the process. I sincerely thank the 10 out 12 jurors who took the time
to leave comments. I'll look at each juror comment separately.


Juror 1.

The series submitted is fantastic and exactly what one would expect to see
in a gallery show of your work. You found some great vistas within your
subject.


Thank you for the great compliment! Choosing which photos to submit was
difficult, and I did have to leave out some of my "favorites" taken on this
trip, as even though they were taken on the same trip, in the same area,
they just did not "feel" the same.

Juror 2.

Lacks depth and imagination

This was the only juror comment that I felt was lacking. I can respect
everyone having a different view of any art, and that some will just not
walk away from my art with anything, but the comment was too generic and
empty. There was no specific information that could help guide me more
towards what this juror was looking for, and no way for me to really get a
feel for why the juror was left unimpressed.

Juror 3.
Cohesive, nice color contrasts of the deep ultramarine of the sky and the
burnt sienna of the structures, interesting artist statements.


This statement defiantly helped point out what I'm "doing right", and
showed that I succeeded in my choice of entries. Thank you for your insight.
I know that I'm not yet perfect (are we ever); it is always nice to have the
highlights of a collection pointed out.

Juror 4.

strong, consistent imagery

Thank you for your compliment. I feel I owe a lot to the subject matter
here. The desert landscape and abandoned buildings just scream out to me,
and I feel they themselves are works of art, created by Mother Nature
working with our (mankind's) leftovers.

Juror 5.

Nice group of photos. I had a hard time deciding on this. Your subject is
wonderful, your artists statements are just outstanding.
In the end I believe the photo's themselves could be just a little better.
You are so close.
"Skeleton House" while being a wonderful subject, the photo is a little
underexposed in certain areas. The same with "Still Standing" You have a
great talent, work with the camera as much as the subject. Again very tough
decision, please keep up the work.

This was one of the most helpful jury comments. Thank you for your
wonderful compliments. I have always said that my first art form was
writing, so I was especially thrilled to read your comments on my artist
statements!

The specific details, pointing out the two pictures that you did, made me go
back and review the pieces in question. Looking at them with a fresh
perspective, I can defiantly see your point and now have more specific areas
to focus on. I look back on older works today, that I used to think were
"outstanding" and see so many flaws, I know in the future I will look back
at these and see where I needed improvement.

Thank you for your honesty and specific details!

Juror 6.

Some of your photos are interesting but they look washed out

Thank you for your input. As stated by another juror, I do now see where a
couple of the photos were underexposed in a few places. I have also reviewed
my submissions on a couple different monitors, and while some appear
wonderfully on some monitors, they appear bland on others. Thank you again
for adding you input.

Juror 7.
Lovely photographs!!

You have a good sense of composition - a great eye for photography. There is
an excellent balance between the various elements in your images which
provide both movement and rest for the eyes.

Well Done!!!!

Thank you for your specific details in your compliments. To me, balance in
a photo is a very important factor and I am glad that I succeeded in that.

Juror 8.

These photos tell a story even before you read the artist statement. The
artist has a keen eye for finding the right perspective for each image.

Thank you! I did try to find a group of photos that would lead the viewer
on a journey on their own, where an artist statement would not "really" be
necessary, but only serve to add an additional perspective.

Juror 9.

In my opinion your camera skills are good. I am particularly impressed with
your getting the lighting right on what appears to be high noon - a tough
time of day for photographers. I like the composition in most of your
images. In "Looking Out" I would like to have seen the entire window frame.
My eye goes out the window and out of the image the way it is framed. I like
that you gave a feeling of what you were seeing or experiencing with your
shots but additionally would have like to know what kind of camera lens etc
that you used. Good luck :-)

This was a very detailed and valuable comment. The time of day was indeed
high noon, and I feared I wouldn't get any good shots! I was fortunate
enough to have access to all angles of the area and was able to wonder off
long enough to get the right shots, some of them climbing trees or lying
down to get, but gotten none the less.

Interesting perspective on "Looking Out". I have reviewed that shot multiple
times since reading your comment and, while I can see your points, I am very
happy with how it turned out and personally like the "partial" frame.
Everyone has different tastes and different styles, so I take no offense at
your view but stand firm on the way it is currently framed.

As for the camera and lens, I have to admit I cringed when I read that. I
know I should have included that info and felt bad leaving it out. I wrote
the statements from work on the last day, and did not have my camera with
me. I am horrible and remembering numbers and could not for the life of me
remember the model. Again, I am writing this from work and do not know the
camera model. I can tell you it's a Cannon D something. I will make a point
of getting this info into my descriptions.

Juror 10.

This artist has a knack for photography. Insightful work. This artist has a
future.

Thank you for your comments! I'm not yet ready to "quit my day job", but I
do hope to make art a full time career at some point.


Again, thank you to all the jurors for your time, and a special thank you to
the ones who took the additional time to leave a comment.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 2:31:05 PM   
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wow, that is a lot more info than I got when I went through the process - you lucked out to get so much feedback

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 2:42:21 PM   
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I just realised my comments to the jurors comments were kinda mingled together. Updated, jurors coments are in red.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 2:46:19 PM   
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Thank for sharing Joe....I know I wouldn't have made EBSQ+ the second time without having the comments from the first time. In fact I saved both sets and refer to them often.
Receiving real constructive criticism is invaluable IMHO. The jury process is wonderful.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 2:49:54 PM   
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Thanks Lisa,

I posted hoping that future jurors might find it usefull to see what artists are looking for/ the artists perspective on the feedback.

The process was wonderful!!

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 2:50:09 PM   
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Congrats Joe.

Please don't discount the ones that didn't leave feedback. It's not that they didn't take the time. They may not have had anything to add to your process or a viable crit. To them you were at the top of your game possibly. Maybe saying nothing speaks volumes.

.....just a thought.

I know that I have on more than one occassion left things blank. (never for a no) during the jury process.
(not saying I did or didn't this go around or if I even participated..............or didn't)

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 2:54:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: swirlygirl

wow, that is a lot more info than I got when I went through the process - you lucked out to get so much feedback

Yup, I'll second that.
When and if I ever participate in the jury process, I'll do my best to write at least a short paragraph to each person. I found it disconcerting to see nothing or a couple of words, evern though I made it. It would have been more so if I hadn't.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 2:54:58 PM   
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quote:

Please don't discount the ones that didn't leave feedback. It's not that they didn't take the time. They may not have had anything to add to your process or a viable crit. To them you were at the top of your game possibly. Maybe saying nothing speaks volumes.

.....just a thought.


Point taken!!

quote:

  (not saying I did or didn't this go around or if I even participated..............or didn't)


Ok, reading that made my head spin...................

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 3:05:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: espressojoe

quote:

Please don't discount the ones that didn't leave feedback. It's not that they didn't take the time. They may not have had anything to add to your process or a viable crit. To them you were at the top of your game possibly. Maybe saying nothing speaks volumes.

.....just a thought.


Point taken!!

quote:

  (not saying I did or didn't this go around or if I even participated..............or didn't)


Ok, reading that made my head spin...................


well it's all anon and I don't want to speak for whomever they were or were not, just my observation.

and I do have to say you did get alot of feedback, seems things have changed since I went through - maybe it was the lack of feedback the new generations of jurors got, has spurred them into being sure to give plenty.

Was this your first attempt at juried?

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 3:11:49 PM   
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quote:

Was this your first attempt at juried?


Yes it was, and I did it for the feedback. I DID NOT actually think I'd make it in on my first try......(See my post in the congratulations thread, all the WOW's.....


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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 3:19:21 PM   
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puffs up your chest to make it in on your first go around - I did that too 

ok - going to see I'm kinda disjointed a lil bit, don't exactly have all my mental resources back, but will see if I can't poke my head in there.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 3:42:16 PM   
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Congrats Joe..

you are so right the comments help.. ESPECIALLY if you don't make it ...  I didn't make it my first time .    I didn't crop right.. I left my date stamp on..etc..etc..  My comments helped me a lot!!   Congrats to all who applied it feels very vulnerable to put your work out there to be critiqued.  A scary thing! 

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 3:47:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: krisjean

I know that I have on more than one occassion left things blank. (never for a no) during the jury process.
(not saying I did or didn't this go around or if I even participated..............or didn't)


Me too, I would always leave comments for a no, but not always for a yes.

Back when I first was juried in, comments weren't even an option! It's great that the jurors put so much thought into this.

Now I'm going to go look at your portfiolio again to see the pieces that were discussed here.


Congratulations!

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/3/2008 7:07:01 PM   
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My comments were great and very helpful and showed that the jurors really looked at the work and read my statements. Thanks to all the jurors for their hard work! It must take some time to review all the entries and I appreciate their efforts!

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/24/2008 8:42:04 PM   
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   I notice it's usually the people who get accepted that are grateful for the comments of the jurors, they easily overlook the often very contradictory statements. Repeatedly, I've had jurors tell me completely opposite things about my work (i.e."nice composition", "needs to work on composition", "take photos in sunlight", "take photos in shade") to the point of infuriation. It's made me mistrust the notion that they really know what they are talking about.
I don't think the work is judged solely on it's own merit. In some cases, people's work is recognized and judged on their personal popularity--or not.
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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/24/2008 9:25:25 PM   
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Jackie, maybe you should give it another shot. It's always disappointing when you don't get in, but don't let it get you down. Better luck next time.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/24/2008 9:58:14 PM   
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quote:

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I notice it's usually the people who get accepted that are grateful for the comments of the jurors, they easily overlook the often very contradictory statements. Repeatedly, I've had jurors tell me completely opposite things about my work (i.e."nice composition", "needs to work on composition", "take photos in sunlight", "take photos in shade") to the point of infuriation. It's made me mistrust the notion that they really know what they are talking about.
I don't think the work is judged solely on it's own merit. In some cases, people's work is recognized and judged on their personal popularity--or not.
Jackie




Jackie, I can understand your frustration with contradictory comments such as those, although you need to keep in mind that despite the guidelines jurors follow, there's still a degree of subjectivity involved. Also (to use your "composition" example), it's possible that those comments were written about different pieces. The jurors have the opportunity to write comments on each piece, and maybe one person thought piece #1 had a particularly strong composition, and someone else thought piece #3 needed work on composition. I don't know how the comments are presented to you (if they're broken down by each piece you entered or all lumped together) so I admit I could be way off here.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/24/2008 10:07:46 PM   
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I've missed out several times before I got juried it. Lighting and statement were my big problem on my last failed attempt... my first was my work was honestly just CRAP. I needed work for sure... though I tried again when I was pleased with myself.

You have to remember one thing... the juried artists are giving you their opinions. It does not make the juror right or wrong. Its not based on popularity at all. There are several regulars on here who have not been juried and don't take offense to it. They ask for better comments from the jurors for the next time they try... and the rest of us are here to help those who have issues and would like to do better and get themselves better prepared next time.

Don't be afraid to try again. Come here and post asking for help with photography... we have many wonderful people who will help with lighting and compressing files so they look nice and clean on the final upload. There are members here who I would give my left leg for out awesome their summaries of their pieces is. The statement by some members are just amazing and professional beyond belief!

Vicky is right, don't give up... try again and come back when you are ready to get some help.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/24/2008 10:56:08 PM   
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I would just keep striving to put together that cohesive collection to knock the socks off the jurors for next time - in the end with something so subjective the most you can do is put in your best effort and if it doesn't pass - try again next time.

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RE: Juried Comments, an artists perspective - 11/25/2008 9:22:53 AM   
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I totally understand your frustration Jackie...when I first joined (4 yrs. ago?) I tried for juried and was turned down...which I  understand when I look at my older stuff! lol!  
But a couple of the comments were just useless...one was "I wish you didn't depend on the black outlines" Well, that's just my style and it's not changing.
Another was something like "cats are so overdone"....yeah...that was really constructive!

The comments seem to be lumped together...not per piece so it's kinda hard to figure out what to do differently.

I'm trying again in the spring with the advice of peeps here!

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